
Always a fighter for truth and clarity, Phillip Goldstein shared his insights about regulations, hedge fund transparency, activist investing and board accountability with me on February 7, 2010. Co-founder of Bulldog Investors, the name of this former engineer may sound familiar to you. Besides winning a skirmish with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") a few years ago about its right to require registration of investment professionals who work with hedge funds, Mr. Goldstein is now battllng the State of Massachusetts over the issue ofwhether the First Amendment allows asset managers like himself to engage in truthful speech about his business without fear of punishment. For more background on that case and the various briefs, see "Banned in Boston: The Bay State trots out a paternalistic rationale for its latest infringement on free speech" by John Berlau (Wall Street Journal, January 6, 2011) or click to read the motion to file amici curiae as relate to "Bulldog Investors General Partnership v Secretary of the Commonwealth, December 13, 2010.
In a phone interview that easily could have gone on for hours no doubt, we covered a lot of ground with a focus on my continued passion for investment best practices.
Q: Welcome and thank you for agreeing to talk about important issues for investors today. You co-founded Bulldog Investors after spending over twenty years as a civil servant. You invest primarily in closed-end funds, small-cap operating companies and special purpose acquisition companies or SPACs. What's your take on investing, post Madoff?
A: Pension funds and what I'll call allocators have a hard job. They need to vet numerous money managers and proposals that cross their desk. However, that doesn't absolve them from their fiduciary duties. Asset manager due diligence remains important but must encompass much more than just a review of numbers. I liken the process to picking a spouse. If you're an institutional investor, ask whether you want someone who looks like Angelina Jolie (Brad Pitt) for your wife (husband) or someone less flashy and able to offer depth for a long-term and successful marriage. I think it's critical for investors to consider the character of an asset manager and ask whether that person is honest and sufficiently talented to generate good returns on an ongoing basis. Investors must assess whether an asset manager has a "long-term sustainability edge." These are not easy tasks.
Q: You consider yourself a value investor, correct?
A: Over the last eighteen years, our fund has used what I call an activist's tool kit on behalf of our investors. It's a lot of work but we think due diligence and care should be present over the full range of economic cycles. Our strategy is not the only way to go but we are happy with our efforts.
Q: What worries you about investing in a particular company?
A: We like to find companies with hard assets that are undervalued in the marketplace. For example, a company may count raw land as a major asset that may be able to create value for investors, independent of what person is running the organization.
Q: I realize that you can't say anything specific about the open court case with the State of Massachusetts but can you comment on what is known to the general public? As I understand the issue, your fund published performance information on your website for anyone to read, even those who are not accredited investors. What do you think about the support you have received from several financial journalists who assert that hedge fund transparency is tantamount to free speech and necessary for them to track the industry on behalf of readers.
A: There seems to be an inconsistency with respect to hedge fund reporting. Tiffany & Co. showcases its jewels for everyone, rich and not rich. Should there be a rule that only allows people with a certain net worth to window shop? Some states, including Massachusetts, have a website devoted to state lotteries. As far as I can tell, the sites are not password protected to prevent young persons who are ineligble to buy tickets from reading the information. Furthermore, there is a real clamor for more information about hedge funds but advertising - which is broadly defined - is prohibited so the veil of secrecy remains.
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